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Make sample behave the same no matter pedal on/off 2 months 4 days ago #7

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Now I understood what you meant! Thank you so much, so it looks like there is nothing that I can do to solve this.

I also appreciate your 2 last paragraphs, because I am really struggling with PIANO + PAD. So far, the best alternative I got is this: FROM key 0 to 60 I make the piano and the pad active everytime, FROM key 61 to 127 I make the piano sound active everytime but the pad sound active only when velocity is 90 or above. This way I can only activate the pad on the right hand when I press the key hard... I improved A LOT the usage of pad, it now sounds much better, but it still is not perfect...

That's why I would like to set a "timeout" for the pad when the sustain pedal is pressed, for example: the pad sound will only play for 3 seconds, never more... and if the pedal is not pressed, the sound (of course) will stop playing as soon as possible.


Do you have any experience or suggestion into this?
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Make sample behave the same no matter pedal on/off 2 months 4 days ago #8

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batata004 wrote:

That's why I would like to set a "timeout" for the pad when the sustain pedal is pressed, for example: the pad sound will only play for 3 seconds, never more... and if the pedal is not pressed, the sound (of course) will stop playing as soon as possible.


Do you have any experience or suggestion into this?

After many unsuccessful attempts yesterday and today, I reached almost the same result as you wrote above and made a soundfont patch accordingly: When you don't press the sustain pedal, everything works normally. But if you press the sustain pedal, the pad sound only lasts a few seconds. // by controlling the sustain volume (dB) with the modulator

PS: I used relative parameters in the Preset Section (as they should), so don't be surprised.

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Make sample behave the same no matter pedal on/off 1 month 3 weeks ago #9

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My friend, I tried for many times understanding what the modulator is doing and I couldnt. Any value that I type in the "x - 960" field, makes everything the same. I cant understand what it's doing... Even removing the modulator keeps everything working... Some magic is happening here because even removing the modulator keeps everything working as I requested in the #1.
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Make sample behave the same no matter pedal on/off 1 month 3 weeks ago #10

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if your keyboard does not distinguish between two instruments it is only possible by preparong the pad samples for the whole range. how many samples for that pad do you have?
can you write a score for the piano and pad as seperate instruments that makes clear what you want to achieve? or record a phrase with the desired effect?
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Make sample behave the same no matter pedal on/off 1 month 3 weeks ago #11

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batata004 wrote:
My friend, I tried for many times understanding what the modulator is doing and I couldnt. Any value that I type in the "x - 960" field, makes everything the same. I cant understand what it's doing... Even removing the modulator keeps everything working... Some magic is happening here because even removing the modulator keeps everything working as I requested in the #1.

It's an inverse operator, It doesn't give the same result in every software.
I tried it in old Fluid soundfont synthesizer, but it may have no effect on BASS and others.
As I said before, using CC64 as a source is not in accordance with the specification.
If you get the result you want when you delete the Modulator, use it that way.
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